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 Post subject: Re: Menpachi house
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:06 pm 
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Just checked that poster and yea it takes like 5 years to get to menpachi's L50, which is tiny, like 5 inches. Checked kumu and it was only 1.5 to get to thier L50.


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 Post subject: Re: Menpachi house
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:52 pm 
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jkp8 wrote:
I think this might be the case. The one house we have found is deep and far out on the MCBH and as far as I know, me and my group are the only ones who know of its existance. After cleaning the hole twice we have decided to let it rest and replenish.


The theory is, if it takes 5 years for the menpachi to colonize the hole and grow to reproductive size, you'd have to take no more than 1/5 of the fish in the hole every year. If you limit yourselves to that, and nobody else visits the hole, it should last indefinitely.

If there are other menpachi holes nearby, it's possible that other fish might move in so your impact would be less. If it's the only hole in a wide area, those are probably the only fish that will live there. Some reef fish migrate a lot, but from my experience menpachi usually stay close to home. You'll see the same fish in the same hole for years sometimes.

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I know from experince on Nshore that the aholehole are plentiful in every hole in the springtime but as the summer progresses the holes become more empty and the next spring they are replenished. This leads me to believe that they must move from open sea into the shallows and/or they must change holes fairly often.


Aholehole are different from menpachi. For one, they grow faster - IIRC an edible size aholehole is only 2 or 3 years old. Also, they travel a lot more; unlike menpachi their holes are only temporary homes. They roam around a lot at night, and tagging experiments have shown that they can travel several miles over the course of their lives.


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 Post subject: Re: Menpachi house
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Wow, interesting and scary. Maybe menpachi gonna be off my list now -- maybe just shoot those occasional huge solitary ones that you see swimming around outside during the day.

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 Post subject: Re: Menpachi house
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:47 pm 
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Hi All,
Menpachi are usually located in an area that has more than one hole. During the night they travel around and can end up in a different menpachi hole. It depends on how close and how many holes are nearby. Even during the day, if you are plugging away, they will shoot out and make a run for it to another hole nearby. So yes, the holes replenish themselves no prob. If you got one lone menpachi hole in a barren wasteland, then it may take a lot longer to fill up again because it means other menpachi's who travel at night would have to by chance find that hole.

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 Post subject: Re: Menpachi house
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:46 pm 
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Menpachi are usually located in an area that has more than one hole. During the night they travel around and can end up in a different menpachi hole. It depends on how close and how many holes are nearby. Even during the day, if you are plugging away, they will shoot out and make a run for it to another hole nearby. So yes, the holes replenish themselves no prob. If you got one lone menpachi hole in a barren wasteland, then it may take a lot longer to fill up again because it means other menpachi's who travel at night would have to by chance find that hole.


I think the better way to look at this whole concept is by populations not individual holes. As alawaiman said above menpachi move holes. So when we are saying there is a total number of fish we can gather to keep the population going infinitely (this is without taking many other environmental factors into consideration) we should be thinking of the population of the whole area or the group of menpachi that can normally interbreed. So if it is found that all the menpachi in an approximate 5 mile radius interact that could possibly be the population to account for. This number of fish that can be gathered sustainably is called the maximum sustainable yield in fisheries biology. The same principle can be applied to any other species, aquatic or terrestrial.

Now this is near impossible to accurately calculate unless you want to go be a marine biologist count fish so being an aware diver is just the way to go. If you notice there isn't very much fish at a spot...let um swim so that those there may help build the population. No sense pounding the two menpachi in a random hole in the middle of no where. Let um live and maybe there will be more in that area in years to come.

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